After owning and using both the G1 & iPhone, as well installing enough software to crash them both, here are some real experiences comparisons – not Internet research.
I purchased the 16 GB NON-3GiPhone the week it was released in early 2007 and had it for several months before losing it at a Dodgers Game …. then I purchased the G1 Phone and have been able to really compare the two personally with all my work and business habits.
So without wasting any more time, here are some of my findings for you:
Network & Support – G1 vs iPhone
Living in a loft in downtown LA, I was very surprised that T-Mobile and G1 vastly outperformed AT&T on the iPhone with regards to coverage. I can use the G1 in my loft which has concrete walls and ceilings, etc. I had trouble calling with the iPhone from home and had better luck outside.
T-mobile is not the ’swiftest’ when it comes to A) doing anything quickly, including waiting for them to serve you with no obvious queue or ‘take a number’ style service in their stores. B) Doing what they say they will do. For Example: When I bought my G1, T-Mobile had put one aside for me to come and get it – they never told me it was in (was expecting a call from the store, but the person I dealt with was ‘off the day it came in so someone else sold it to make commission) and I had to keep going back, but they would sell the phone that was put aside for me and I didn’t get to choose the color. This was poor service and very annoying.
AT&T is large enough that it isn’t that hard to get support on the phone but has terrible customer service at times. Very disconnected communication between departments and if you ever have to call back you have to start over.
When I lost my iPhone, I had to pay $200 to cancel my service still with no help from AT&T in finding it.
T-Mobile had better signal service but even worse customer support. I guess you can’t win, but at least we can move past the flip-phone era!
Battery and Charging – G1 vs iPhone
G1: USB Charger for the G1! AWESOME. I can borrow friend’s chargers when they have USB ones for their Blackberries, etc.
iPhone: Charger is Apple’s Proprietary iPod Charger. Unless it is for the Ipod or iPhone specifically, you are out of luck.
The iPhone battery lasts more than a day when fully charged but the G1 would be lucky to last that long.
The weak 1150 mAh battery with the G1 was almost a deal breaker, but apparently they are working on several fixes, as Mike posted first about the T-Mobile G1 Battery Replacement Program in another section of this blog. If you are out late without a car or wall charger, its tough to get people’s contact information on a phone that won’t turn on after midnight, reminds me of ‘Gremlins‘.
iPhone by a nose
Audio Quality – G1 vs iPhone
The G1 Headset and microphone attaches to a USB cable that is all provided, but you can only use a standard headset with the provided USB converter so this adds extra wires you have to carry around.
iPhone has a standard headphone jack so its just grabbing some earbuds and go
On the iPhone Calls often drop and it can be difficult to hear people. I’ve had complaints from friends who asked me during calls while driving to unplug the headset and use the regular phone speakers instead.
When making calls on the iPhone the speakerphone option only is allowed once the call is connected. Can be destracting and annoying if driving and trying to call using some type of foreign calling card with a pin number, etc.
Without the headset the G1 call quality and speakerphone is excellent as its clear and the speakphone option is allowed at anytime.
Overall audio quality is much better on the G1
Touch Screen – G1 vs iPhone
The G1 works much like the iPhone which I am used to as I had the iPhone first. You won’t accidentally pinch anything as it is not offered, however there are zoom buttons that appear as well as a ‘compass looking’ 4-way arrow that shows up to allow you to zoom a specific area of the pages. It is NOT intuitive and kind of hard to get the hang of. I wouldn’t recommend buying this for a senior citizen.
iPhone touch response is great and has pinching resizing, So if you can’t get a link, just zoom in.
The trackball on the G1 allows you to scroll through the links on pages and ‘click’ it like a mouse.
The iPhone lacks something in addition to the touch screen to play games with, or to scroll through links on the page. Sometimes a really poorly built (for mobile) page can be nearly impossible to navigate.
The responsiveness of the G1 touch screen feels less accurate then the iPhone and the scrolling is not very intuitive or easy to learn initially. You get used to it, but then you miss the ability to zoom in by ‘pinching’ with two fingers like the iPhone.
I find that when scrolling through contacts, often it will call them accidentally if you are not careful on both the iPhone & G1, but the scrolling feels a little ’stickier’ on the G1, less smooth than iPhone.
Overall the iPhone has a better touchscreen
Interface – G1 vs iPhone
The G1 is SO much easier to type on. G1’s keyboard has an ‘@’ button so you don’t have to press ‘+2′ to write an email address, although I wish there was a similar ‘/’ button for web addresses that didn’t require pressing the ALT key.
Essentially the G1 Menu Button is similar to a PC’s ‘Right Mouse’ button that activates context menus or properties of whatever you have running. The trackball is great, like a mouse and you can push it in to click it and use it as a joystick for games (like Pacman which runs great on G1 btw).
The only real frustration with the G1 keyboard is the short backlight duration which can’t be adjusted so I often type an incorrect character just to get it lit up again, or simply move the trackball, to avoid having to look for the delete key. A real pain while at a red light. (Not that you should be texting while driving but we all do it – i.e. TXT: I’m at such and such intersection be there soon – note as of Jan 1 2009 it is now against the law here in California, like talking without a headset)
The biggest problem is with applications and websites that don’t work properly with the G1 trackball. For example: I can’t use Facebook to send messages to people, the trackball highlights the ‘TO:’ field but whenever I type in someone’s name, facebook’s mobile or even FULL site doesn’t work properly. VERY frustrating. I end up doing wall posts instead of direct messages just so it will work. This is annoying as personal messages shouldn’t be on people’s Facebook wall – now I am aware that this is a Facebook mobile site design issue but it still affects G1 use.
The iPhone has a compact design as everything is done via the touch screen, and learns how fat your fingers are (so it seems) and suggests corrections as you type based on previous usage.
The ‘x’ to get rid of suggestions on the iPhone can be hard to hit, especially while doing something such as driving. I’ve accidentally typed while in a hurry, “I’ll Pik U up” just to have it ‘corrected’ to “I’ll Oil u up” because P changes to O, i stays and K changes to L. Stupid.
It is really annoying trying to text on the iPhone, and next to impossible to do without looking. I can text on a flip phone really really fast without looking, but it sucks cause you have to use the number pad, but not bad if driving.
Hands down – I’m glad I now use the G1.
Applications – G1 vs iPhone
The main thing is to find USEFUL applications that work properly and I’m currently testing many Android applications, some great, some not so great. Here are some highlights of what has worked well for me with the Android apps so far:
IM: works fairly well, offers YAHOO, AIM, MSN, Yahoo Messenger. In combination with other apps that display notifications, you can tell nicely when someone is trying to contact you.
andFBChat – You can use the facebook chat without having to have a browser window open. This is great. Would be nice to see this integrated with AIM, MSN, Yahoo, etc. gmail: – Native to the phone, works very well as it should. Google made this!
Messaging: – Text messaging. Works great. There are some custom apps available to make this more to your needs and likings. So far with the keyboard attached, i don’t mind the texting on this at all.
Google Maps: - Now while the GPS is not 100% accurate (i.e. at Cap’n Crunch’s place in Burbank, when you hit ‘Current Location’ it is almost 2-4 miles off) it is still very useful for driving. I just drove from Los Angeles to San Diego and simply used the ‘Current Location’ to guage how long it would take me to get there. Easy to type in ‘directions needed from current location to a saved address, without fumbling a lot with the phone or keyboard’. NOTE: there is a GPS location application that will activate via SMS to help you find your phone, however its likely that the battery will have died before you can use that. Mike also informed me that you can simply use the IMEI number with T-Mobile to locate the phone – again it would need to be prior to losing battery strength. So don’t lose your phone!
So things are much different now than pre the 3G era for the iPhones. I never owned a 3G iPhone, so I can’t really give you too much information about 3G on iPhones other then the people I know who have them claim it works similar to the old iPhone when connected to a hi-speed wifi connection.
Here is what i did, I used ziphone.org to crack the iPhone and install the applications I wanted from the open source community. Android on the G1 simply allows this anyway so no cracking is needed. After this, you may not trust your phone to function properly so you have to be ready to re-install everything if you mess it up with some rogue application or poorly designed app. This is not good if you can’t make calls. With the G1 phone, you can simply uninstall problematic applications with the application manager. The iPhone required me to crack it and install a ‘finder’ application (Mac’s version of a file explorer similar to ‘explorer’ for windows users) in order to do anything useful.
I very much enjoyed the iPhone guitar applications (see my cinco de mayo on iPhone guitar post for fun!). Also there are some great apps for mobile blogging, however at this time I’m not 100% on what people are using now that the iPhone application market has changed and you can install things that are ‘apple approved’ or what have you. I like the fishtank app, backgammon, guitar apps….my friends are often playing the table hockey app now.
As each day goes by, more and more applications are becoming more stable for BOTH phones and some are less useful (i.e. iFart, yet gaining traffic!) while many are being revised to work better.
I think from a business perspective the G1 is better, from a seemingly ‘hipster’ attitude a lot of folks are still big on the iPhone as it shows that you can afford it to have it. – Mine cost $500 – dammit. Now the newer ones are under $200 in order to compete with the G1.
It will be interesting to see which phones emerge as winners, but my vote is currently with the Google phone and I just wish they would fix the battery issues sooner than later.
Very interesting to see a comparison from someone who obviously likes both handsets. Thanks for taking the time to share your analysis with us. Have a great 2009 !
To get better battery life (I regularly get >2 days), I’d recommend using something like “Power Manager” or “Toggle Settings” to keep unnecessary features turned off. It works like a charm for me and makes battery issues a thing of the past (I still try to keep it connected to the PC during the day though, just as a habit to make sure that I don’t forget to charge it ).
Hi,
I just want to mention something on the battery problem.
The G1 has a fully replacable battery. You can even take a spare battery with you. The iPhone do not. The battery is integrated in the phone and can only be replaced by Apple. No spare battery possible.
That’s a great point, apple is just a little too proprietary on this, what with no battery access, couldn’t install anything without cracking the first version, Google has it all open and easy to deal with – plus they are working on the battery issue. Man if they just spent some more money on battery research instead of how to market ads to all of us, maybe the phone would last a week or at least more than one sundown. What are other people’s thoughts? G1 or iPhone 3G?
Re: the GPS. Try turning off the WiFi when you use the map. If I leave the WiFi on, the GPS is not accurate. When I turn WiFi off, the GPS is very, very accurate.
Excellent Question. I had the iphone 16 GB that came out in early 2008 (11 months ago). I parted with the iPhone but not by choice in June.
this is NOT a comparison with the new 3G, but its still an iPhone and there is a lot to learn from the differences as I was using BOTH phones at separate times for ALL my business and personal needs. The only reason I switched was because I didn’t at the time want to deal with AT&T again and the coverage with T-mobile was reportedly better in my area of downtown Los Angeles. Which proved true.
I loved the iPhone, but the gphone was made AFTER it and they obviously had the time and research from the already released iPhone to help improve on the G1’s release. Kind of unfair but business is all about researching your competition.
There’s been a lot of interesting points about this now and I’m really glad I got to post on this site.
GPS Response:
Steve, I went to cap’n crunch’s to talk tech and tried the GPS with the WiFi OFF. It pointed right at his house and we were able to use the satellite imagery to confirm it was extremely accurate. Thank you for that tip! Although its annoying to have to shut off WiFi at least it works.
Actually, the G1’s charger is not USB to MiniUSB, it’s USB to ExtUSB, which is some proprietary HTC thing with a slightly differently shaped plug. So, no, you still have to use the G1’s USB cable, unless you get an Ext-to-MiniUSB adapter if it exists.
The G1 charger I use that came with the device it interchangeable with the blackberry’s usb charger.
It works and charges fine when I borrow a friend’s usb charger that is NOT anything proprietary.
However, i did notice that they come with headphones that plug in to the usb port, possibly they have other uses.
I think there needs to be a regular headphone stereo jack in addition to the usb port. however bluetooth does solve this if you have bluetooth earbuds.
It’s not officially released yet and those making it would prefer to release a stable version to avoid the silverlight, recording enabled similar app to affect it.
I’m not sure the latest on a beta, but I’m sure this blog will tell you. Michael Martin’s all over it and probably already has flash!
You can “root” your phone – and add additional applications like Tethering.
Also, your post about the GPS being way off… you are using the “My Location” feature, this is DIFFERENT than GPS. My location uses a triangulation of the cell towers to give an approximate location. Turn the GPS on under settings “Security and Location” – then the map will be dead on your location, within 10 feet.
The G1 is extremely stable, and with the RC33 update, it’s even faster. There are a ton of great apps, and no dealing with Apple app selection process either.
The phone is insanely good… and only getting better. There is very little I could do on the iPhone or Windows Mobile that I can’t do with the G1, but better.
Sorry but the phone really isnt that good. Sure the OS has great potential and is off to a good start, but until the hardware manufacturers pull their fingers out the iPhone will be king of the hill.
Personally, my G1 will be retired off as soon as the Palm Pre is released.
It’s great to read a real comparison by someone who actually used both! After all, ease of usability is the most important factor of all. I just got he g1 phone a little while ago and it does far more than I had hoped.. I’m showing it off a bit here.
Yea I have the iPhone n I love it I no everything about it I jailbrkn it n it’s so fun to mess with plus really easy to use buh my iPhone 3g screen cracked n I was thinking should I fix it wasteing 200$ or just buy the white g1
Anyone else have thoughts on their iPhone vs G1 if they’ve had a chance to try both? personally i hate the limitation of ONLY a touch screen. SO HARD to play pacman on an iphone. maybe a joystick would be cool….no USB port though. hey how about a G1 usb joystick? any news yet mike?
Very interesting to see a comparison from someone who obviously likes both handsets. Thanks for taking the time to share your analysis with us. Have a great 2009 !
To get better battery life (I regularly get >2 days), I’d recommend using something like “Power Manager” or “Toggle Settings” to keep unnecessary features turned off. It works like a charm for me and makes battery issues a thing of the past (I still try to keep it connected to the PC during the day though, just as a habit to make sure that I don’t forget to charge it
).
Hi,
I just want to mention something on the battery problem.
The G1 has a fully replacable battery. You can even take a spare battery with you. The iPhone do not. The battery is integrated in the phone and can only be replaced by Apple. No spare battery possible.
This makes a big advantage for the G1.
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That’s a great point, apple is just a little too proprietary on this, what with no battery access, couldn’t install anything without cracking the first version, Google has it all open and easy to deal with – plus they are working on the battery issue. Man if they just spent some more money on battery research instead of how to market ads to all of us, maybe the phone would last a week or at least more than one sundown. What are other people’s thoughts? G1 or iPhone 3G?
I still say G1 at this time. – KRONiS
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Re: the GPS. Try turning off the WiFi when you use the map. If I leave the WiFi on, the GPS is not accurate. When I turn WiFi off, the GPS is very, very accurate.
Awesome GPS idea, i’ll try it a crunch’s in burbank where we were unable to get an accurate GPS reading. it was several miles out.
Do I understand this correctly, it this a comparison between the new Google G1 and a first generation iPhone that is 1.5 years old now?
Excellent Question. I had the iphone 16 GB that came out in early 2008 (11 months ago). I parted with the iPhone but not by choice in June.
this is NOT a comparison with the new 3G, but its still an iPhone and there is a lot to learn from the differences as I was using BOTH phones at separate times for ALL my business and personal needs. The only reason I switched was because I didn’t at the time want to deal with AT&T again and the coverage with T-mobile was reportedly better in my area of downtown Los Angeles. Which proved true.
I loved the iPhone, but the gphone was made AFTER it and they obviously had the time and research from the already released iPhone to help improve on the G1’s release. Kind of unfair but business is all about researching your competition.
There’s been a lot of interesting points about this now and I’m really glad I got to post on this site.
GPS Response:
Steve, I went to cap’n crunch’s to talk tech and tried the GPS with the WiFi OFF. It pointed right at his house and we were able to use the satellite imagery to confirm it was extremely accurate. Thank you for that tip! Although its annoying to have to shut off WiFi at least it works.
Aaron
Actually, the G1’s charger is not USB to MiniUSB, it’s USB to ExtUSB, which is some proprietary HTC thing with a slightly differently shaped plug. So, no, you still have to use the G1’s USB cable, unless you get an Ext-to-MiniUSB adapter if it exists.
I like my G1 otherwise, though.
The G1 charger I use that came with the device it interchangeable with the blackberry’s usb charger.
It works and charges fine when I borrow a friend’s usb charger that is NOT anything proprietary.
However, i did notice that they come with headphones that plug in to the usb port, possibly they have other uses.
I think there needs to be a regular headphone stereo jack in addition to the usb port. however bluetooth does solve this if you have bluetooth earbuds.
KRONiS.us
My wuestion is… How do you download adobe flashplayer on the G1?
@Jeree,
It’s not officially released yet and those making it would prefer to release a stable version to avoid the silverlight, recording enabled similar app to affect it.
I’m not sure the latest on a beta, but I’m sure this blog will tell you. Michael Martin’s all over it and probably already has flash!
@KRONiS,
I WISH!
I have been bugging Adobe about this and getting a wall of silence – but will continue hammering away at it.
My vote for G1 by far.
You can “root” your phone – and add additional applications like Tethering.
Also, your post about the GPS being way off… you are using the “My Location” feature, this is DIFFERENT than GPS. My location uses a triangulation of the cell towers to give an approximate location. Turn the GPS on under settings “Security and Location” – then the map will be dead on your location, within 10 feet.
The G1 is extremely stable, and with the RC33 update, it’s even faster. There are a ton of great apps, and no dealing with Apple app selection process either.
The phone is insanely good… and only getting better. There is very little I could do on the iPhone or Windows Mobile that I can’t do with the G1, but better.
Sorry but the phone really isnt that good. Sure the OS has great potential and is off to a good start, but until the hardware manufacturers pull their fingers out the iPhone will be king of the hill.
Personally, my G1 will be retired off as soon as the Palm Pre is released.
It’s great to read a real comparison by someone who actually used both! After all, ease of usability is the most important factor of all. I just got he g1 phone a little while ago and it does far more than I had hoped.. I’m showing it off a bit here.
Yea I have the iPhone n I love it I no everything about it I jailbrkn it n it’s so fun to mess with plus really easy to use buh my iPhone 3g screen cracked n I was thinking should I fix it wasteing 200$ or just buy the white g1
Anyone else have thoughts on their iPhone vs G1 if they’ve had a chance to try both? personally i hate the limitation of ONLY a touch screen. SO HARD to play pacman on an iphone. maybe a joystick would be cool….no USB port though. hey how about a G1 usb joystick? any news yet mike?